What Is a Sandwich With Chicken Patty and Beef Patty Called
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- #2
In US English, that is not a hamburger.
- #3
The word hamburger is used differently in different places. If in China it has come to mean any sandwich broadly resembling what you would call a hamburger, even with a different filling, there's no point in trying to change the culture.
- #4
As I recall, it was McDonald's who lead the charge toward calling that a 'sandwich' (in fact, to McDonald's, all their burgers are 'sandwiches').
Before I got a brief, teenaged job there, I would definitely have called that a 'burger'. If pressed, maybe a 'chickenburger'. However, in North America, fast food chains have been calling these 'sandwiches' for forty years, now, and they may be gaining some traction. But I doubt that's the common term, even now, for such an item even in North America, except around some of the fast food chains.
If you go to a sit down restaurant that offers similar items with exotic meats, they will all be called 'burgers' on the menu.
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- #8
It looks like a hamburger to me, not a sandwich. It's between two round hamburger buns, not two square slices of bread. If I knew it contained chicken, not beef, I would call it a chickenburger (or chicken burger), but it's still a kind of hamburger (or burger) to me.
- #11
I think the point is that we recognise the buns as hamburger buns (or possibly burger buns). I don't know another name for the buns. For that reason I'd continue to call filled hamburger buns as (ham)burgers regardless of filling.
The current 'special' item at McDonalds here is the crispy 'Hainanese chicken' burger!
- #13
As I said, for me, a burger can contain any filling within burger buns.
- #15
There is also the word 'beefburger' to mean specifically a hamburger containing beef - presumably coined to avoid the mistaken idea that if a cheeseburger contains cheese, a hamburger contains ham.
- #16
As I said before, the word hamburger (or just burger) has various regional uses. It's impossible to talk about the meaning in the English language or in English culture (which English? : even within England there are probably differences).
- #18
In the U.S. that is not a hamburger or a burger. It's a chicken sandwich. And a hamburger is not a beefburger, it's a hamburger, and a hamburger is made with beef.
This is advertised by Ruby Tuesday, a sit down restaurant, as a chicken sandwich. Specifically, you can order it grilled or crispy. It is not ground meat. Something made with ground meat can be called a patty. A hamburger is a patty. This is not a patty. This is a solid piece of meat.
This was judged the best chicken sandwich in Chicago in the main newspaper, the Chicago Tribune.
Chicago's best fried chicken chef Andrew Brochu opening new restaurant with 'tidewater stew'
His eponymous Brochu's will serve the fried chicken sandwich we ranked as the city's best. Brochu made the sandwich, served with sunchoke hot sauce and chamomile mayonnaise, famous at Roister, the Alinea group's most casual concept.
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Interesting to read of the restriction of the term 'burger'. Is that mainly the fast-food chains, or is that everybody? We're going in the opposite direction here. There's a Japanese chain called MOS Burger, and their offerings include these.
Even with the buns replaced with pressed and shaped rice.
- #23
I am talking about English culture not Chinese culture.
I am asking you if Hamburger always refers to beef.
In NYC if you order a "hamburger" and you get anything other than beef you would be surprised and annoyed. Here the "default" is ground beef patties.
Some places will simply use a different word before "burger", so "pork burger", "chicken burger" or "lamb burger" are all possible. I would argue they all imply a patty made of ground mean, specifically the meat in the name.
- #26
"Burgers" in the U.S. in common use in the past was always a short form of hamburgers. If you were going for burgers, you were going to be eating, specifically, ground beef formed into a patty and cooked and put between two pieces of some type of bread, according to the USDA [ U.S. Department of Agriculture]. That was a hamburger, which was named for the city of Hamburg.
It was one type of food with one name specific to it. There was nothing special about the last part, burger. It was no more special than the ghetti in spaghetti. But as time went by and people got more creative with the name (and especially since the first part sounds like a meat) they started adapting it. Veggie burger is common here now. It's also a patty reminiscent of a hamburger patty.
But it's not surprising that we stick to the word hamburger to mean a patty of beef because we have been using it that way since the beginning of time. That's what a hamburger has always been. And for decades "a burger" was a shortened way to refer to a hamburger specifically. It's still the strongly default meaning.*
If it's sufficiently like a hamburger patty, we might call something else a burger also, even though it doesn't make sense etymologically because in that word "ham" is not a meat. But if it's not a ground meat patty (or an imitation thereof, like a veggie burger) then we are probably not going to call it a burger. If it's an intact piece of meat (not ground) between two pieces of bread it is a sandwich.
* I suspect that in other parts of the world, where it migrated to later, at least in the popular consciousness, that it came with the already established idea among some people that "burger" had a specific meaning on its own as a style of sandwich, as opposed to a name for a specific sandwich made of a specific ingredient (ground beef), that it still largely has in the U.S. today. Other variations exist, but they are all variations on the basic hamburger/burger – a ground beef patty between two pieces of "bread".
I'm wondering even if it was originally short for "a hamburger sandwich", i.e. a sandwich from/in the style of Hamburg.
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